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Title: Re: 170DS ads & Brochures
Post by: strelnik on March 16, 2009, 07:16:47 PM
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Jim,
If I understand what Lars and others have said, the 170S and the 170Sb arte quite different. That said, it would seem that there is more in common between 170S and 170DS and between 170Sb and 170SD
Have I got these right?
I'm really interested in the motor mounts for the diesel version of the 170S. I would think motor mounts and engine will be the main distinctions between the gas and diesel versions, naturally some other parts will be differentiated as well, such as electrical system glow vs spark plugs etc.
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Title: Re: 170DS ads & Brochures
Post by: John Ellis on March 16, 2009, 08:05:43 PM
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Actually the motor mounts for both the 170Sb and 170DS are the same. In fact if you are speaking of the rubber mounts, they are the one of the few items that is the same for all 170 models. The rubber mounts appear regularly on eBay, are newly manufactured, and are fairly reasonable in price.
To sum up any confusion, here is the lineage of the 170S line of models:
170S
170Sb and 170DS (gas and diesel versions of the same model and years)
170S-V and 170S-D (gas and diesel versions of the same model and years)
The 170S-V and 170S-D are a step back in engineering, even though they are the last of the production run. This models shares features of the 170Sb and 170Vb. The 170S-V uses front suspension, updraught carb from the 170Vb; and body, interior from the 170Sb just to name a few of the differences.
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Title: Re: 170DS ads & Brochures
Post by: hansvdc on March 17, 2009, 12:01:07 AM
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Title: Re: 170DS ads & Brochures
Post by: strelnik on March 17, 2009, 05:36:48 AM
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Quote from: John Ellis on March 16, 2009, 08:05:43 PM
Actually the motor mounts for both the 170Sb and 170DS are the same. In fact if you are speaking of the rubber mounts, they are the one of the few items that is the same for all 170 models. The rubber mounts appear regularly on eBay, are newly manufactured, and are fairly reasonable in price.
To sum up any confusion, here is the lineage of the 170S line of models:
170S
170Sb and 170DS (gas and diesel versions of the same model and years)
170S-V and 170S-D (gas and diesel versions of the same model and years)
The 170S-V and 170S-D are a step back in engineering, even though they are the last of the production run. This models shares features of the 170Sb and 170Vb. The 170S-V uses front suspension, updraught carb from the 170Vb; and body, interior from the 170Sb just to name a few of the differences.
John,
Thanks for clarifying. I am looking for the steel+rubber front motor mount brackets enabling me to put a OM636 engine in a 170S, making it, engine-wise into a 170S-D, correct?
Thanks,
Darryl
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Title: Re: 170DS ads & Brochures
Post by: Henry Magno on March 17, 2009, 07:14:59 AM
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Actually, you would be making it into an 170 DS. According to the Niemoeller catalog, and a few logical deductions, you will need a front motor mount bracket specifically from a 170 DS, maybe a rear transmission mount bracket from a 170 Sb, DS, S-D, or S-V, BUT since the dimensions of this piece are probably more frame related than engine related, I would guess that your 170 S bracket should work. As was said by John Ellis, the rubber mounts are all the same. I don't think any other driveline issues would be different.
I think your real problems will come in adapting a ponton OM 636, because the motor mounting is completely different on those cars, at least in the front, and you may need a 170 D front timing cover, as well as an oil pan. I think you will need to use the 170 transmission and bell housing.
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Title: Re: 170DS ads & Brochures
Post by: strelnik on March 17, 2009, 06:45:27 PM
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Quote from: Henry Magno on March 17, 2009, 07:14:59 AM
Actually, you would be making it into an 170 DS. According to the Niemoeller catalog, and a few logical deductions, you will need a front motor mount bracket specifically from a 170 DS, maybe a rear transmission mount bracket from a 170 Sb, DS, S-D, or S-V, BUT since the dimensions of this piece are probably more frame related than engine related, I would guess that your 170 S bracket should work. As was said by John Ellis, the rubber mounts are all the same. I don't think any other driveline issues would be different.
I think your real problems will come in adapting a ponton OM 636, because the motor mounting is completely different on those cars, at least in the front, and you may need a 170 D front timing cover, as well as an oil pan. I think you will need to use the 170 transmission and bell housing.
Henry,
Thanks, I have the transmission, but I will need the motor mounts, because I have NONE. So the question is: which kind will fit?
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Title: Re: 170DS ads & Brochures
Post by: Henry Magno on March 17, 2009, 07:41:27 PM
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For the motor mounts themselves, with the rubber, you will use the ones that fit all the 170's, one front and one rear.
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Title: Re: 170DS ads & Brochures
Post by: strelnik on March 22, 2009, 01:25:46 PM
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Quote from: Henry Magno on March 17, 2009, 07:41:27 PM
For the motor mounts themselves, with the rubber, you will use the ones that fit all the 170's, one front and one rear.
Can you give me a part number so that I can check it out in my catalogs? Thanks
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Title: Re: 170DS ads & Brochures
Post by: John Ellis on March 22, 2009, 03:31:52 PM
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The rubber motor mounts are 181 220 01 17 (front) and 181 220 00 17 (rear). The best price that I have found is from Automobilia Versand
http://www.automobilia-versand.de/ (
http://www.automobilia-versand.de/). Their prices are 48 euro front and 72 euro rear.
There is also a third rubber bushing on the motor right side. This part number is 183 242 03 25
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Title: Re: 170DS ads & Brochures
Post by: Henry Magno on March 22, 2009, 03:32:43 PM
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front 181 220 01 17 rear 181 220 00 17
