Title: Re: VIN plates
Post by: admin on September 15, 2005, 01:19:20 AM
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(Henry Magno)>>The small plate was probably the Auftrags or Commission number. It was sort of an order number. I think they stopped putting this number on the cars after around 1951 or 52. It should be in the style of the other plates, not like the unpainted one on the red car.
I don't think they used the paint tags until 54 or 55.
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Title: Re: VIN plates
Post by: admin on July 18, 2006, 11:58:38 AM
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Title: ID plates
Post by: curator on July 11, 2006, 08:05:15 AM
a subscriber writes>>>>Where do I find the ID plates on this type of car? I want to make sure they "match" and are what they are supposed to be. I need to find the engine, body and frame number plates. I searched the website for this info but I found nothing helpful.
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Title: Re: ID plates
Post by: curator on July 11, 2006, 08:18:17 AM
attached images are from the 170Da spare parts book showing the location of the different plates. Also included is a scanned pdf of the same pages a bit clearer. I'd like to put this info over in the tech section, so if you have anything to add or clarifications, be sure to add to this thread.
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Title: Re: ID plates
Post by: curator on July 11, 2006, 08:23:01 AM
Attached are digital images of actual plates I took from a 170Da this past March 06.
What some call the VIN # is the Auftrag Nummer = order #
On the plate is >>> Fahrgestell = chassis
Henry told us that he thought the order number was probably sequenced cronologically as the cars were sold or available to be sold, but not by individual model. It was a pre-war holdover that they dropped or at least stopped putting on the cars around 1950.
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Title: Re: ID plates
Post by: curator on July 11, 2006, 08:29:40 AM
Motor Nummer = Motor # [Generally visible on the passenger side of the motor over the timing chain cover ]
Title: Re: ID plates
Post by: curator on July 11, 2006, 08:34:17 AM
Karosserie = body? (and usually found on the edge of the drivers door)
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the 4th plate is the Fahrgestell # OR or chassis #
[ usually rivoted, versus screwed onto the frame. the chassis # will be the same as the one found up on the Auftrag place on the firewall, passenger side. both should match....and the same number is stamped on the frame beside the tag]
Tauschaggregat Nr [factory rebuild #]
A metal tag usually riveted to the engine block on the driver's side, as an identifier indicating that the engine was sent back to the factory in Germany for complete restoration. Some sources believe that dealerships in many Countries already had in stock, several restored engines stored to replace those from owners requesting a rebuild, and would merely swap out the engines, to eliminate wait period.
I have seen the Tauschaggregat in other models, (i.e. early 51-54 300 series), but not seen any for the 170-220 as yet
Chassis # Significance
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Title: Re: VIN plates
Post by: admin on August 26, 2006, 08:36:57 AM
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Post by: Henry Magno on July 28, 2006, 01:40:56 PM
Here is a pre-war data plate and the Auftrags plate, which was probably one of your small plates. Another plate that may have been on your car would be the one giving the spec for radio suppression, especially since the OTP was a police car.
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Title: Re: VIN plates
Post by: admin on January 09, 2007, 05:00:35 AM
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Title: 1938 170V numbers?
Post by: John Rochford on January 08, 2007, 01:43:33 PM
I would like to know if any one knows what these numbers are?
Small plate under hood drivers side---------- 559123
Under hood pass/side------------- Fabrik-nr 415773
Auftrags-nr 301977
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Title: Re: 1938 170V numbers?
Post by: curator on January 08, 2007, 01:48:23 PM
What some call the VIN # is the Auftrag Number aka order #
On the plate is >>> Fahrgestell = chassis
Henry told us that he thought the order number was probably sequenced cronologically as the cars were sold or available to be sold, but not by individual model. It was a pre-war holdover that they dropped or at least stopped putting on the cars around 1950.
Karosserie = body # (and usually found on the edge of the drivers door)
the Fahrgestell # OR or chassis #
[ usually rivoted, versus screwed onto the frame. the chassis # will be the same as the one found up on the Auftrag plate on the firewall, passenger side. both should match....and the same number is stamped on the frame beside the tag]
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Title: Re: 1938 170V numbers?
Post by: John Rochford on January 08, 2007, 02:07:57 PM
Thank you, I thought they might be the VIN and some kind of date code.
There are some kind of medallions on the grill, I will get pictures of the and post to see if they can be defined.
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Title: Re: 1938 170V numbers?
Post by: Henry Magno on January 09, 2007, 12:56:12 AM
A slight correction to what Jim said. The chassis "Fahrgestell" number, here called the "Fabrik" number will be found on the large data plate on the firewall, but the "Auftrags" number is usually on a separate plate on the firewall. I think they are calling it a "fabrik" number because it usually applies to the engine as well.
This number 415 773 does not appear to be a valid 170 V number in the Oswald book, the highest number for 1938 is 415 280. In 39 the numbers start at 417 719.
The number 559 123 may be the body number but it is usually on the door jamb.
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Title: Re: 1938 170V numbers?
Post by: John Rochford on January 09, 2007, 04:56:15 AM
I wonder why the Fabrik-NR 415773 do not seem to be correct? Could it be the car is a Cabriolet? Or that it was built for the German army?
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Title: Re: VIN plates _
Post by: admin on January 19, 2007, 04:06:19 AM
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Title: Re: 1938 170V number plate pictures
Post by: Henry Magno on January 17, 2007, 09:25:28 AM
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Usually the numbers match, but I'm not sure that it's always true. I have found that on lower production cars like 320's and 540 K's they generally match.
Your plates certainly look original.
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Title: Re: 1938 170V number plate pictures
Post by: Johan on January 17, 2007, 01:46:36 PM
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I agree the plates look original. The "Entstört nach Gruppe III" - plate is usually fitted to army cars equiped with radio. I have never seen the Sindelfingen plate named n3.jpg on a 170V. Is the big "n4.jpg" plate stamped with Waa and the eagel? It is a bit out of focus. Can you please post some pictures of the car?
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Title: Re: 1938 170V number plate pictures
Post by: John Rochford on January 18, 2007, 05:29:40 AM
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I will take more pictures this weekend. And try to take a better picture of the plate (more in focus).
The car was said to be purchased from the German army and was used by Hitler's occupational staff during the invasion of Denmark.
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Title: Re: 1938 170V number plate pictures
Post by: Chuck Lamn on January 18, 2007, 09:47:57 PM
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John
My 1938 Cab A carries #366952 Komm which I think is control # and that is my title number. It also carries #456577 Fabric which I believe is the factory #. There is also a Karosserie # 854720 which I'm thinking is body number.
My motor number #400203 has the same tag as your first picture but does not agree with the factory bill of sale. The original bill of sale is available through the classic center and I got a copy of mine.
My car's orgin is a mystery as its a 38 but was not completed and sent to the dealor until 12/12/1939? There is either a error in the ID tag or it was off the books somewhere for awhile.
Johan's 39 Cab A Komm number is 366949 only 3 digits separate our cars with his completed and shipped 4/19/1939, a full 6 months earlier than mine? Further there were a lot of Cab As built in 38 --272 and --198 in 39 even though the war in Europe had started. I read somewhere there was a big effort in these years to finish up all available cars and sell them outside Germany to bring in currency. My car went to Romania and his went to Ceylon.
