Title: 170 model differences
Post by: admin on September 07, 2005, 04:54:36 PM
170 Model Differences
170Vb
(J Ellis)>>>The 170Vb increased windshield size, covered windshield wiper mechanism, added hypoid rear differential, replaced vertical vents on engine hood with horizontal vents.
(H Magno)>> All the 170 V's and 170 D's had structural wood through the Vb and Db versions.
170 S-V & S-D
(Henry Magno, Ma)>>>The S-V and S-D were hybrids, they had the steel body of the S and the leaf spring suspension of the V. There were a lot of detail differences. These late cars were stripped down in their fittings and upholstery patterns were simpler. They had Bakelite instead of wood trim, etc. The 170 S, Sb, DS, S-V, and S-D were all steel including the Cab. B, but the 170 S Cab A had wood. The last use of structural wood was in the 55 220 Cab A and Coupe.
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Title: Re: 170 model differences
Post by: admin on August 22, 2006, 03:36:59 AM
Title: Differense between 170S, 170Sb and 170S-V
Post by: mbmannen on August 18, 2006, 06:01:16 AM
What is the differense between 170S, 170Sb and 170S-V. The Sb has another wagenumber then the rest. The S-V has a few horsepower less than the S. Is there more differens?
Regards Carl-Magnus
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Title: Re: Differense between 170S, 170Sb and 170S-V
Post by: John Ellis on August 18, 2006, 12:14:57 PM
The 170Sb was an incremental change the occured at the same time that the 170DS was introduced. For some reason the 170Sb chassis number was changed to a W191, a departure from the 170S which was a W136 chassis. Some of the main differences between the 170S and 170Sb was a hypoid rear differential vs. spiral gearing, a column shift versus the floor shift, and 16" versus 15" wheels.
The 170S-V and it's diesel counterpart the 170S-D were a blend of the 170V and 170S models used as a transition while the new Ponton models were developed and released. The 170S-V had the 170S body (no wood framework) combined with the 170V engine & updraft carburator, and the front leaf suspension of the 170V.
If given a choice of purchase, the 170Sb would really be the last of the 170S models with all of the changes that occured to the 170 line.
The 170Sb was never identified on the car, but you can tell by the chassis designation of W191 on the ID plate, as well as the build date of the car.
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Title: Re: Differense between 170S, 170Sb and 170S-V
Post by: mbmannen on August 18, 2006, 09:18:56 PM
Thanks for your reply. I have not thought about the the gap between 170S-V (D) and the "new" ponton 180. I se in my papers that price for the 170S-V was DM8300:- VS 9950:- for the 180 W120 1953. My friends tells me that I should buy a S and not a V model. I like the V model for the extra tire at the hood and all the rest of the car.
About the small letters for the model. The is not one model from MB that has the small a,b,c or d. I have on 190c and the third edition of the 180 ponton 180b but no c or b on the veicles. Is it wood framwork on the W191?
BR C-M
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Title: Re: Differense between 170S, 170Sb and 170S-V
Post by: John Ellis on August 18, 2006, 10:34:52 PM
Your friend probably suggested a 170S due to the fact that it is an all metal body with no wood structural framing. This holds true with all 170S variants except for the cabriolet models. The 170V on the otherhand has wood framework that would require a greater investment in time and money to restore. Of the 170V cars, there are few that don't have some damage to the structural woodwork, and usually it is not revealed until you remove the headliner and side panels.
With regard to the 170Sb, your are correct, there is no badge on the car the says 170Sb, it will be badged as a 170S. You can however tell a 170S from a 170Sb by the chassis number which is imprinted on a identification plate which is located on the passenger side firewall. A 170S will have a chassis number (typ) which starts with 136, whereas a 170Sb will start with a chassis number (typ) of 191. The 170S-V will have a chassis number (typ) which starts with 136 (same as the 170V and 170S) but looking at the carburetor you will see an updraft type (carburetor located below the intake manifold) vs. the downdraft type of the 170S.
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Title: Re: Differense between 170S, 170Sb and 170S-V
Post by: Henry Magno on August 20, 2006, 02:20:42 AM
The 170 Sb had 15" wheels.
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Title: Re: Differense between 170S, 170Sb and 170S-V
Post by: mbmannen on August 20, 2006, 06:25:36 AM
So I couldīt se if the car is an late S, Sb or and S-V on the outside exept for the 15" wheels on the Sb. I have to check the wage no? This is strange like the compact serie that all 6 cyl engines has wage no W114 and the 4 and diesels has W115. BUt sorry, I dont relay get why the S-V Has less power than the older ones. Competter to mutch to the new ponton 180?
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Title: Re: Differense between 170S, 170Sb and 170S-V
Post by: John Ellis on August 20, 2006, 12:28:27 PM
The horsepower of the 170S-V is identical to the 170V. The difference in horsepower between the 170S and 170S-V is mainly due to the carburation. The first version of the ponton 180 used the 170S engine with a slightly higher compression ratio. It wasn't until the 180a was introduced that the new overhead cam engine was utilized (same engine as the 190).
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Post by: mb170sb on August 22, 2006, 08:29:00 AM
The Sb has a larger rear windscreen, the first ever curved piece of glass installed by Mercedes. The S-V has the same body as the Sb and the column shift, but it lacks on brightwork (trim) and its all bakelite trim inside instead of wood. Basically the Sb is the same body as a 220 from the firewall and back.
